1932 Willys 6-90

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Re: 1932 Willys 6-90

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Gojeep wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:31 pm Do you know how much it was widened by as the proportions look good?
Not sure, I think around 8 inches as you can see by the cowl. It had bucket seats and a console between like your Jeep. The console was 10 inches wise so lots of room. Might have only been 6 inches, I think the radiator has been widened less than the body.

This is the only photo can find that matches, Amelia Airhart had this exact same coupe version, the cowl looks wide anyway.

I would suggest less is better, I saw a 32 coupe widened and it looked dreadful.

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I'm looking at 5" at the grille and only 3.75" the body. Trying to keep it to a minimum on this one but still fit the HEMI in without bulges.
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Re: 1932 Willys 6-90

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Well the time has come.
Hope you are all in for the long haul! :D
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Look forward to it Marcus. Do you have any tme restrictions?
That is any time limit set by the recipient?
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Re: 1932 Willys 6-90

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Let the fun begin, I'll be watching with interest.
Nice donor car, your off to a good start.
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I'm looking forward to this build.

As long as you can finish it within 10 or so years, I won't be so old the Alzheimer's has me.

Seriously I look forward to the journey, as I've learnt heaps out of the truck build and look forward to learning more out of this build.
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Many thanks guys. :)
I am hoping to have this on the road, bare metal or painted, by the time the Willys turns a 100!
Hopefully house renovations etc don't slow me down too much at the same time.
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Harking back to the beginning...
Re this picture:
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I reckon name it Titanic.

Then do a video showing it morphing from the original B/W picture to the finished car, as it rises out of the sea ("Raise the Titanic" style.)
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There was a mud level mark all round the inside as think it got flooded a few times when it was left near the Murray River for many years!
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We managed to get a new metal sign that has a great reproduction of an old ad of the time of the model. Thank you to my friend Ben Bower in the US for sending it out to Australia for us.

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This vehicle as a donor was always the dream even when building my truck. Glad it worked out this way in the end as a sedan is a much better donor for this project than the truck. I had been keeping my eye on the wrecked vehicle auctions since getting the Silver Streak back in May. They were always selling for way beyond our budget until the last auction of the year. I placed the minimum bid on the live auction and there were no other bids! Everyone must have spent it on Christmas presents. The auctioneer said the insurance company will want a lot more than that by at least 50%, so it was passed in. Then a couple of days later my wife gets a phone call from the auction house and was told if we excepted just $250 more, it was ours. :) Spooky thing is that was the exact amount we paid for the truck donor 15 years earlier. I think they just wanted to clear their books for the year and took the loss. Our gain though. :)

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The truck was still in pieces and getting painted at this time, so you can see parts of the bed and its tonneau in there with it. It was very hard for me not to want to work on it, but there just wasn't the room. I did however get a replacement ABS control module and fitted it, and after programming, took it for a test drive to make sure it all checked out OK. That was the reason I believe for the accident as the dealer service noted it was faulty and needed replacing, but they negated to do it.

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Much prefer the SRT8 interior over the other models in the range, so that was a plus as well. Only wish we had the leather seats instead of the cloth ones of the Core model this is. The Core version of the SRT8 loses the heavy 19 speaker stereo, console cooler, as well adaptive cruise, self levelling suspension and extra driver aids etc as it is setup for better drivers and less weight overall.

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In 10 years it has only done just over 50,000 km/30,000 miles which is remarkable! The 6.4 has 470 hp, so really happy about that and why I wanted the SRT8.

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Fitting all the drive train and interior etc into the little Willys is going to be some task. It is 1200mm/48" shorter in length, 175mm/7" shorter in the wheelbase, and an incredibly 500mm/19.7" narrower across the firewall! The Willys wheelbase is 113", more like the 33-34 Fords which have 112", rather than the 32's which are only 106" for reference.

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So the same day that the Truck came out of the workshop fully assembled after painting, the SRT8 took its place. A lot of photos, measurements and angles etc were checked. Ideas of how to exactly do things were thought through to best utilise it for the project. Confirming things I suspected like none of the front suspension can be used as the coil/shock mounts would be poking straight though the front guards!

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The strip down is in full swing with all the bolt on panels removed as well as all the seats, head lining, front and rear screens etc.

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Visually I did a quick check to see just how much of the dash would be seen from under the cowl of the Willys. 3/4 of the depth would be covered as the dash actually went all the way to where the glue line of the screen was as shown by the red arrow. I have already removed the demister grill that was there.

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Research showed that it is better to remove the whole dash with the frame, column, ducting and wiring etc. together. The upper half of the dash can only be removed once out to get to many of the screws holding the ducting in place between the upper and lower sections.

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All the wiring looms from the pillars have been unclipped and laid on the floor ready to be removed with the rest of the main harness. Most cannot be unplugged from the main harness and only small sections going to the rear ABS etc unplugs.

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This is all of the main cabin harness out! I have labelled everything, even the location of some like, B pillar to rear door harness etc. There is very little that runs under the floor on this model, unlike the Grand Cherokee donor for the truck which had just as much under the floor as above it.

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This floor is channelled well below the top of the door sills and has a high transmission tunnel. This gives much more head room and allows the lower stance without loosing suspension travel. I really hope I can incorporate this into the Willys.

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The big step up under the rear seat is where the fuel tank sits and then it steps up again for the rear independent suspension. That sits in a cradle that bolts underneath and holds the upper and lower wishbones, lower coil and shock mounts as well as the rear diff etc. All of which I plan to keep as one piece under the Willys.

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Engine bay wiring next. It is separate from the engine harness which will be left in place. Getting everything that is under here into the Willys is going to be a challenge.
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Re: 1932 Willys 6-90

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Have you given any thought to what you may use for the front suspension. Wait, stupid question!

What do you plan on using for a front end?

Do you think you will be able to incorporate the SRT floor? I know you hope to do so, but you will have a good idea.
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Yes I hope to use the SRT8 floor, B pillars, inside of the cowl and firewall, but the way I want to use it will come down to what the engineer thinks is allowed or not. Would love to cut away the bottom and outside of the SRT8 door sills and use the Willys frame rails to take its place. The inside of the door sill riser is as tall as the Willys frame rails, so would be great if I could fully weld it in to box them and turn the Willys into a Unibody. I have a feeling it wont be allowed, but you never know. Maybe some way of bolting the two together might be allowed?

I do have an idea for the IFS incorporating a double wishbone setup with coilovers from something else in the Dodge family, but will wait and see on that still.
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Re: 1932 Willys 6-90

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What ever front end you decide on at least the bolt pattern is common.
I think suspension is a very overlooked topic in Hot Rodding.
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Unfortunately the stud pattern of the SRT8 is not common being 5x115mm. Holden Captiva and some of the last Holden Commodores where also this, but not much else in Australia. Also 14mm studs. https://www.wheel-size.com/pcd/5x115/

I also need to keep a location for the ABS sensor and the tone ring as well to complicate things. Don't worry, it will not be inferior to the stock SRT8 setup, and possibly an improvement. ;)

Hope to have it driving by the time the Willys turns 100
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Re: 1932 Willys 6-90

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Wow, another huge task !! But with the previous experience there will be less surprises. My REO Flying Cloud was widened a little and it looked ok, but it was also much longer. Have you considered adding a little to the length, particularly though the front doors ?? If I had my time again in the current project I would add about 5 inches there. The other side of this is that if you gave away the idea of using the floor, firewall and dash from the donor you might have less need to widen it excessively. I have a preference for an older looking interior and dash with all the improvements hidden from view. You could still use the instrument panel and just sacrifice the a/c and ducting, and eliminate the console. That would mean that widening 4 inches would probably be enough. You could dump that airbags and wiring etc and fit a more period steering wheel too.

Just my first impressions and brain farts, but we all do it differently. Whichever way you go it will be fantastic to watch your journey. And as usual, thanks again for sharing in such detail.. And, love the SRT8 donor. My 6.1 was from the earlier version of the SRT8 that was burnt at 38,000 klm.
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